Well, my SW would definitely go with the 'kill the traitor' option. Not because I hate Quinn, but because it was 100% OOC for my SW not to do so initially. To put it another way, my character is literally named Macalaure, and Quinn is his Ulfang. (And if you don't get the reference - GO READ THE SILMARILLION NOW!!!) So, basically, Cano doesn't care whether Baras or Morgoth is the original master and Quinn's loyalty was to his original leader. He betrayed Cano and he dies. Outside of my character, my issue is that he switches sides. Okay, so he's loyal to Baras so he betrayes my warrior. Fine. But now you switch sides?! Nope, sorry, that's either cowardice, or you're planning another attempt. I might let you live, but I'm not keeping you around. I can't trust you at my back and in combat that is all that matters. My other characters don't know this though, so they'll take him. (But for some reason my SI couldn't recruit him...)

For some reason I didn't get either.... My LS SI sided with the Sith since she prefers to honor her alliances. (So basically, ALL my characters will pick the Sith for this reason... Even my DS characters are honorable.) But Quinn never joined my alliance. I hate him, but I'm annoyed that I didn't get either character.

My Sith may be neutral, but if I get the option Quinn is DEAD. I don't like betrayal...

I have an idea of what you are going through - because I've seen my hubby play. He's a newbie too and it took him awhile to get used to the play style. I didn't have the same issue, but then again I've played similar RPGs before. The most important thing is too read every skill you get. The worst 'update' BioWare did, in my opinion, was removing the price tag from new abilities. It wasn't that I liked the price tag. But having it there meant that you had reason to scan every move as you got it. This taught me more about the game that anything else. I always do that now and I've only needed help with two things: first chapter end boss with my Sorcerer and Operative. (Sorcerer being my first and main.) Know your powers and abilities. If you do then you'll be good. Get used to your move set by attacking small groups at a time. Make sure other groups don't see you - they will attack. Once you are used to your move set life becomes much easier. Give your companion decent gear. Vette does damage, so give her a powerful set of blasters. You can send her in first to take the damage. Stick to the main roads - most enemies won't attack if you are on one of those.

THANK YOU!!!!!! I've been saying this the whole time... Except for the part about not being able to use both sides of the Force. You cannot master them, but you can use them. Look up the Je'daii. Revan is insane when you meet him on the Foundry. Personally I think his personality has fragmented, a reasonable assumption considering that it has bee rewritten four times. 1 - the Emperor to make Revan his tool. 2- Revan in order to escape said programming. 3- the Jedi to 'redeem' him and because they needed his mind and power. 4- Revan again to escape the Council's program. Then you have the Revanchist persona he created ("Who I am is not important; my message is.") and THEN he's imprisoned for 300 years fighting a mental battle with an Emperor who is trying to reprogram his mind AGAIN. No, he's not sane. To add insult to injury he's playing into Vitiate's hands. Why? Because Vitiate needs to perform a ritual that will render him immortal. What does the ritual require? Countless innocent deaths. What will happen if Revan's plan succeeds? Well, he'll kill out at least TWO sentient species (b/c the Myke are genetically cousins to the Sith) several groups who are not aware of the war (think the Keshiri Sith) anyone descended from the Sith taken by the Je'daii 20000 + years before, and anyone in the Empire or any defector from the Empire who happens to have some Sith blood. I think Vitiate gets his sacrifice. Why are we asked to stop him? Because the Emperor was a trifle indisposed and could not perform the ritual. We aren't really supposed to STOP Revan; we're supposed to DELAY him. Fortunately we win and Vitiate loses. And Revan disappears... As a Consular I want a quest to help Revan heal his mind. During this quest he becomes my teacher and a permanent companion. And yes, you would have the option to draw him further into Darkness...

Yes, we do.

This is why I love the Je'daii way (though our code needs some work...) We combine the calm of the Jedi with the drive of the Sith. And we had no rebellions either, or at least not among our own. Sigh...

Not all the DS choices have sad endings. I've picked some LS things that made things worse! Then there are some really morally ambiguous ones like:

There was another one on Tarris... You have to find that speeder engine you use in KotOR to win the race.

True. The real Jedi are of the original code. They had only a few Rebellions in 20000+ years. Then the code was changed and there have been non-stop wars ever since.

I'm not sure why Bioware did that... Do they realize they're actually insulting men? Do the men realize that they're being insulted? Probably not... My fave scenes are when my agent uses her appeal to get the guys to spill their secrets. Blue girls rule! (Note: I bet you could get the human only girl with a Pureblood.)

Well, the Je'daii were Force masters who walked the path of neutrality - and managed to redeem 99% of all those who grew too dark... and caught it a lot earlier than the Jedi. They also did not allow people to grow to light because doing so would have made the planet uninhabitable... But they did master many Force techniques. I guess we were the Masters of neutrality, LOL!

The Sith code is not necessarily cutthroat. It's a recipe for personal success. How you interpret it is up to you... And most Sith that we see interpret it in the worst way possible.

You'll note this has nothing to do with Zaalbar... I hope we do get to meet him.

If they grow up on Csilla they will. It has to do with the environment. If they already have the blood Csilla will bring it out.

True. The original code is far less restrictive. Obviously Odan Urr came from a very stoic species... LOL!

No, actually. The Je'daii were fine until Xesh came. Then the Force became polarized in the minds of their adherents. This led to four of our number creating an order soley dedicated to Ashla, a state in which Tython COULD NOT exist. Rajivari then left the Order, creating the True Dark Sons of Tython. This conflict, known as the Force wars, was the first Light Side/ Dark Side in history. The conflict began when the the Jedi left the path of balance. I respect you Professor Walsh, but please do check your facts first. The Jedi do manipulate life - enhancing your strength through the Force is doing just that. Cilghal leads a virus out of Mon Mothma's body, cell by cell. This is a manipulation of life. Cade's healing is possible with the light side and yet is truly a manipulation of life. Vergere's tears, what ever Vergere herself was, were not dark and saved many. So the ability is not wholly evil... just not wholly good. Quote: A wild and primordial world, Tython was rich with the Force and stuck in a constant battle for balance between the light and dark. Because of this constant fight for balance, the world was constantly plagued by Force storms; a violent and naturally-occurring phenomenon which made life difficult on the planet. Gathered together, the pilgrims were considered to be some of the galaxy's brightest and best philosophers, priests, scientists and warriors. Realizing the hazards of Tython, the Tythans quickly discovered why that had been called together; to bring balance to the world through their own inner balance with the Force. Collectively the Tythans began to study the ways of the Force, living their lives in a constant Moving Meditation in order to master the abilities they were gifted with. Through communion with nature, the Tythans learned of the world and the Force's duality, a fact reflected in the night's sky by the astral bodies Ashla and Bogan.[3] As the Tythan's struggled to keep the balance, they began to call themselves the Je'daii Order; a name derived from the Dai Bendu phrase, "mystic center." As they built temples, cities and academies across the planet surrounding the original landing sites of the Tho Yor, Tython reacted to any imbalance through terrible Force storms and groundquakes. While the Je'daii could protect themselves from some of these dangerous events, not all of the descendants of the original colonists possessed the Force connection necessary to learn. Following the destruction of the city of Aurum, the Je'daii deemed the planet too dangerous to the many non-Forceful individuals living on the world. In an event known as the Second Migration, the Je'daii sent all non-Forceful individuals off Tython, beginning the process of colonizing the other planets in the Tython system known collectively as the Settled Worlds.[3] As you can see, Tython can only survive in a state of balance. Too much Light or too much Dark results in destruction. And if I were so Dark as you claim I would be exiled to Bogan. I have not, for I am balanced.

No, he blew up with Malachor. Which is cannon. And I don't think BioWare hates Obsidian. HK-51, our soon to be companion character, was created by Obsidian. It's more likely that they don't want to really touch anything another company did. It's called professional pride people, so please stop hating them for it.

Maybe as a continuation on Revan's story? Perhaps he runs to Kashyyk after After all he's been imprisoned for centuries, is not fully sane and - oh yeah - Maybe we'll actually be able to convince him that he's NOT. Doing. The. Right. Thing. this time? That would be a nice way to have Zaalbar show up. We would need his help, have to visit the shadow lands... Oh this could be so much fun! Maybe he can persuade Revan to listen to us... mutters about obstinate Jedi/Sith.

I wanted to learn more about the Exiles... Though looking at the timeline I noticed that they skipped the Legions of Lettow.

I mentioned the manipulation of life as proof that intention is NOT everything. However, if you claim all manipulation of life is universally bad then I certainly hope that no one you know suffers from genetic diseases, as the potential cures for said diseases involve the manipulation of Deoxyribonucleic acid, also known as DNA, the fundamental building block of life. I suppose we would also have to consider Zabraks and Twilecks and Melodie and the Sith Purebloods of TOR evil and unnatural because they were 'created' life forms. While we're at it, let's just add in any and all kids conceived via IVF. All hybrid species. All cloning also falls into this category, no matter how many lives you save by cloning new hearts and lungs. You can't just say this is all bad. It may not be good, but it is certainly not bad. The belief of the Je'daii is that both Dark and Light have their places. One must remain strong and balanced between them. You should not journey too far towards Bogan, nor too far towards Ashla. As soon as this changed war came upon us and our planet was consumed. Tython can only exist in a state of balance and it is in that state that we abide.

Err... Guys, this is a thread for sad things in TOR, not for potential lead ups to SGRs. There's a different thread for that, so let's try to keep this one on track, alright?

You know, Luke actually DID go after a Sith with the sole intent of murder (though he did a good job of convincing himself otherwise...) and almost fell again as a result. (Now, who can name this Sith?) I wish he had... It would have made for a better ending... So, if intentions are all that matter, if someone is using the Force to manipulate life out of pure scientific curiosity which side of the Force are they using? There's no passion involved, no selfishness. It's all about furthering science... thus the intent is not evil and actually slightly good. That being the case, this is still deemed to be Dark Sided. Why, if intent is all that matters? Of course, to me there is no issue. So long as one is careful to maintain balance both Bogan and Ashla are open to them.