Why are you clowns even comparing SWTOR to D3? They aren't the same genre. D3 is a MO while SWTOR is an MMO. D3 has remained true to it's GAME OF THE YEAR mechanics and has implemented a huge list of new features. Of course people quit this game to play D3, it's a blizzard game (there goes the WoW kids) and it's one of the most successful franchises in gaming history. This game died along time ago.

Nobody knows what they are talking about on this thread, it's awesome. I guess this is the patch for whining 1.2.

I dunno bud, I've never had an issue w/ gearing myself out in any game. I work fulltime, take some MMA classes, and have an attention starved GF. I probably get about 1.5 hours of gametime a night. I expected more of a grind from this game to be honest, but I had just come from Aion, so in contrast, this game was ridiculously easy to obtain PvP gear. I guess this topic is subjective. I like the game but soon as GW2 is out, I'm gone. I'm one of the geared people and I don't find this game anymore fun than the lesser geared.

holy **** This is the easiest of any MMO to get PvP gear, doesn't take that much time. I swear people have no patience in this community, everything is 'NOW NOW NOW'. The patch has been out for 24 hours and people are already complaining about gear differentials, You are throwing out speculation without actually giving the patch at least a couple of weeks to see where these apparently incapable people are gearwise.

You kidding? Every page on this thread someone is stating to remove PvP gear.

Cool, so we agree. I dunno man, I just noticed you quoted me a few times so i was just endeavoring my point of view. I'm really just thinking that people who keep saying that anyone in full PvP gear really doesn't have any skill, it's just gear. I'm anxious for these people to get into rated, fully geared. Put that myth to sleep.

...what? Read futher back, no clue what you're talking about.

I still don't think you fully understand, It's not a personal attack. Let's call it a friendly debate. Win OR lose in 1.2 you get commedations that can be used towards War Hero gear. I'm not stating that this system is flawed. I'm against removing PvP gear from the game completely which is what most people are positioning in their posts.

The 'no lifers', you act like it's hard to get gear in this game and furthermore you don't personally know any of these people , so for you to speculate and try to belittle someone about their life outside SWTOR is immature and unjustified. I hope Bioware isn't listening to people like you.

Lol what? I have full BM gear and I'm still in warzones or Ilum homie. Won't find me doing dailies.

Holy ****, read my entire post. In 1.2 you'll have an opportunity to progress in rated warzones. If you're a new level 50, this is a great way to start in PvP because you won't be facing those fearsome battlemasters, not until you've acquired some gear and some experience. If you think removing gear from the PvP equation will somehow make you more competitive without having the experience, simply put, you're delusional.

Actually, if you read half of these entitlement posts you'd see where I got that scenario from. It's not something I fabricated. Secondly, I've played competitive PvP in most of the prevalent MMO's. No forum is full of this ridiculous nonsense about removing PvP gear entirely. I PvP, I only PvP - I have a guild of 40+ PvP players, none of them complain. They enjoy it, and they enjoy the rewards for the effort they put in. You've further enforced my point by stating that ANYONE will be able to have the opportunity to acquire the best PvP gear in 1.2. If you have crappy gear, you'll be matched up against opponents with the equivalent, why is that so hard to understand? You then get to acquire Warhero gear, the best PvP gear in game, without having to face opponents that are better geared. The more gear you acquire, dependent on your ability to PvP, the higher you'll move up the ladder. Progression. I like progression in PvP, so do many others.

You've quoted me like 3 times, anyways explain how I am missing the point exactly? Here's your scenario for the PvP centric player: I primarly PvP therefore I do not require any gear to do so, when I enter a warzone all statistics, regardless of gear, are normalized. Even playing field so to speak. Here I am in Ilum, in my orange and green gear, (remember I don't PvE) and I encounter PvE centric player of the opposing faction, he's rolling around in full raid gear. Who's going to win? Why should someone who 'casually' PvP's be on par gear wise as someone who's main focus is PvP. It's the same logic vice versa. Again, top tier teams will be facing off against other top tier teams, you have to work your way up the ladder, i.e. progression, this includes PvP gear. As you said, the reason you have to obtain better PvE gear is to be able to tackle harder content, this also applies to PvP. Its trivial at this point to get PvP gear, regardless of your play time.

'Not the case' isn't a very constructive arguement, sorry. Would you care to elaborate as to why progression in PvE and PvP is mutually exclusive?

In 'early' WoW, PvP guilds could not compete with PvE guilds because PvE gear was substantially better. If in PvE you can acquire better gear, so should you be able to in PvP if that is your gameplay preference. It's clearly the casuals who are winning the 'it's not fair' threads on this forum which is perturbing, to say the least, that bioware is listening to this crap. There's a marginal different in PvP set stats, they aren't hard to obtain either. Gear doesn't activate my skills, I do and I do this well enough to defeat people in equivalent gear. When you hit 50, the real work beings, you are't entitled to anything, stop being lazy.