On row 39 of the ability tree the double down pointing arrow passive Furious Discovery says, "Activating Obliterate builds an additional six fury." This is not working for me, does anyone know a solution? Edit: Funny. I even typed it and still didn't catch my mistake. Case closed.

Uh, please enlighten me on your build then. Full BM immortal jug here and I average around 100k damage while the rage spec jugs in my guild are all around 300-400k. So please please tell me how you are outdamaging rage spec warriors as an immortal.

I don't care about having Shadow/Assasin DPS, but I'd like to be able to actually have a chance at killing someone as an immortal spec. If giving us more defense cooldowns will do it, then sign me up. Honestly though I think we need to mitigate more damage without relying on cooldowns. As it is now Immortal spec is garbage for PvP in relation to the other classes. I might try the spec you suggest, but seems broken if the only way to make it viable is to mod stack other classes mods in our gear and stance dance. And even after doing that you still aren't satisfied with the class. Broken is broken.

Really? What spec are you? I am 33 immortal and my DPS sucks *********** balls. Please post your spec before saying that DPS is good.

I disagree. Sometimes even a better player can find himself on the defensive and a well timed medpack/heal can turn the tide of the fight. If you are going to duel for real then use everything that would be available to you skillwise and potwise like you would in a 1 v 1 fight against someone of the opposite faction. "Duel? No deathblow." Man I miss those days :/

Google Carolina Parakeet build for PowerTech/Vanguard. I would suggest that for PvP tanking. Jug has a bit more mobility though.

My friend used the Carolina Parakeet build for PvP tanking and had a lot of success with it. Made me wish I went BH insteald of Warrior. And he also beat me in 1 on 1. PT has the damage and the defense.

Mobility: Jug is actually pretty awesome at this. With charge then force push then charge again then interceed you can cover a large distance really fast and when you pull it off there is no other feeling like it. Control: You won't be shutting anyone down but you can annoy them pretty good until your cd's are gone, then they pretty much just laugh at you. Survivability: With all your cooldowns up and biochem adrenals, healthpacks, and relics all up. You can survive for a decent ammount of time against a group of people. AOE stun combined with force choke, force push and backhand can keep you alive while in the thick of things. However find yourself without cd's and you'll be going down faster than a ****** for a hundred dollars. Soaking: You can do a decent job of protecting people. Best is to protect a healer, however you won't be killing anyone you will just be surviving. It's fun to survive protecting a healer while 6 people are beating on you both. But really that is all you are doing, just waiting to die as you won't kill anyone during this endeavor. Damage: Oh man you are in for a letdown here. You will NOT win a 1 v 1 encounter against any class that is equally geared. You will not even come close to damaging them at all while you watch you healthbar drain and eventually die. Again, with all your cooldowns up you will be able to survive longer that with them down, but you will lose. Everytime you will lose. If you wear full DPS gear things will be a bit better, but you will still lose.

If you want to kill people at all I would not suggest going juggernaut. I am so dissapointed with this class in pvp it makes me sick that I spent so much time getting gear for it. I have way more fun on a marauder alt I rolled, which supprisingly can survive just as long as my jug and can actually kill people too. I score more in Huttball on my Jug, but if you have a good team you can score with any class, and if you have a bad team your Jug isn't going to make the slightest difference anyway. As of this point in time I do NOT suggest Jug for pvp unless you are ALWAYS rolling with a team that ALWAYS has a healer. Even then it's debatable. **Edit: I am full BM/Champ gear and 33 in immortal tree.

Actually I didn't farm Illum and I am full BM/Champ gear. So you have an Immortal Jug you pvp with that owns it up in 1 v 1? Show some vids please or ****.

I am a battlemaster immortal juggernaut. By the time I can get a sorc/sage bubble gone I am around 50% health and he is recasting it. So what gives here?

Immortal Jugg, best pvp class especially for 1 v 1.

/agreed

Yeah that is my point. We need some love. Thanks for understanding.

And because that's our job we aren't allowed to do enough dps to kill anyone? Not following u there, sorry.