You make a couple of interesting points. Of the first point, I can say that Bioware would need to have a broader gap in how they break up the higher brackets. Now, when they merge warzones in 2.4, queue times should be a lot shorter, of course. To the second point, you may get people at high valor ranks that do not have the skill to match, but it is more often the exception rather than the rule. Besides, at least they will know how to walk around on the map, which is a start. In the end, my ideas aren't perfect, but let's face it, even though it has flaws, any system they implement will also have flaws. I propose that my suggestion is vastly superior to the one that is currently in place.

One of the examples features Huittball. Now, on Ebon Hawk, we have a guild or two who like to point out the words of Baron Deathmark "cheating is encouraged" when they hack. It's not hard to find. They talk about hacking on the forums, and even named their guild after a cheat device. So, while cheating in huttball might be "against the TOS", it is certainly being allowed.

Playing with the bads over this weekend, I have come to understand that the queue system is severely broken. Many of us would end up being on a team with horrible players, while facing ranked teams with vent and some coordinated efforts to dominate the WZ. There is nothing wrong with ganging up on people. That is normal play. There is something wrong with the queue system, however, so I propose a few changes: #1 Make valor and titles account wide. This is crucial, because it lets players know who they can trust to give good advice. Yes, there are some players with high valor rank who aren't that great at playing, but at least they have done enough warzones to know the difference between snow and grass. Some of the players I encountered this weekend do not! #2 Cross server PVP queues With these, we may lose individual server identities in PVP, but the queues are woefully long late at night on some servers, often in excess of 5-6 hours. This has to change. They are supposedly changing this in 2.4, but I hope it's not just for ranked players. #3 Valor-based brackets This is the main thing that my post has been leading up to. This weekend, I grouped with a lot of terribads who didn't understand anything about PVP. Some explaining may occur in a Warzone, but as someone who does nothing but PVP, it gets old. Fast. If the brackets were broken up by (account-wide) Valor rank, it would guarantee that you don't end up with a herp derp team every time.

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Did you even watch the video? You can scroll down and select from a list of game to join. Bioware could do this, and they should. Their queue system right now is crap. Your response shows me that you just hit the reply button without even trying to figure out what I was saying, at all. Gee, thanks, dude :/

ugh...

I am in the USA, East Coast. I work at a hospital, 7p-7a. There is no getting around this. On my nights off, I like to play SWTOR, late. I like to PVP. Here is the problem: There is no PVP! Sure, there was a buzz when the expansion hit, but now? The queues are between 2-9 hours after Midnight. I can't do anything with that. There is a game, which I do not want to play, that does it right. Why can't SWTOR be like this? Instead, I am stuck not playing at all. But, it's a mystery. I complain about queues, only to find out that someone else is getting 10 second queues, or less. Why? I'm about to unsub and uninstall, for real. This is garbage.

Yup. And here is what kills me. This same team is coding thousands upon thousands of lines of code per day, yet a simple first grade math problem like this eludes them? Umm...?

Blue, Green, and Yellow. Where are the red recipes?

I always like to point out which premade I am facing to the group. Different guilds have different tactics. A good pugger knows this.

Nah, I was just drunk off Gentleman Jack and Blue Moons IRL and wanted to annoy Animousity, who ordered me never to speak of it again. But, I'll take it to another thread next time.

If you mean, teams of friends ganging up against others, I am for it. It creates challenge and legitimate competition, and fosters the spirit of PVP in a multi player game. Unfortunately, this is not what PVP in SWTOR stands for, especially on the Ebon Hawk server. PVP on EH means ANY HACKS and CHEATS necessary. Game Genie/Guerilla/Zen = "cheats are all encouraged, per Baron Deathmark". All cheats "are encouraged."

http://imgur.com/X1tOiUW Animosity Not sure of guild or class. What? 76K is not a legitimate hit? You mean there are hackers and cheaters on this server? I AM SHOCKED!!!

It was epic. Somehow, both Starorchid and Kintago got knocked through a barrier onto the bridge on Voidstar, but the bridge wasn't out yet, so they were fighting out on the scaffolding like some strange epic pirate duel. People were like "lol." Amistar was like "Dafuk." It was a good match, and then we had beers.

I don't see the down side of this.

Ebon Hawk Server Records: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=621684 I would also like to add two additional Sorcs for the Highest Medals record. The first is Soz'e with 19 medals. The second is myself with 18 medals, both in the following screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/fMgCo2Z.jpg Edit: Overtenk also has 17 medals in the screenshot above.

1. Vampirius 2. Your Failure Is Complete 3. Sorc 4. Novare Coast 5. Kills 47 6. http://i.imgur.com/fhdS40W.jpg

/Considered /Disagree As for the OP, I thought this was a PVP tanking thread. lol

Good post. Selective quitting never happens. It's always these stupid rage quits, which set the quitter behind.

Myth. Leaving is the biggest waste of time there is, for him, and the group. If he thinks otherwise, he is an R-tard.

I don't get it, personally. I mean, I strive to win every time, but as a PVP PUG player, I accept that it isn't always going to happen. Honestly, on Sundays or Mondays, you might not win a single match if you PUG. Why? Because there are lots of premades out there, partial and otherwise. Anyway, there is no sense to leaving a Warzone. Let's take for example, an average 55 PVPer. Here's a breakdown of events: #1 Joins a Warzone. #2 Soon realizes that over half his team is wearing War Hero gear, and they have no other healer. #3 After an initial push. player sees that the other team has 4 members of the same guild, and 3 total healers. #4 Player quits the warzone. #5 Warzone ends 12 mins later. Please note, the queues are 15 minutes long. The players who lost got some valor, tokens, and practice. The player who left, is still in queue chasing that white whale Warzone that will give 4 billion valor or whatever. His next WZ, the premades are still rolling strong. He starts to get stomped and leaves again, and again, and again. This is why I pride myself on having a fairly high PVP rank. It shows that you are wise, practiced, and thoughtful.... Moreover, you are not a useless quitter who wastes his/her own time, and the time of the group.

Someone sent me mail. It never got to me. Why? Because it wasn't addressed. BIOWARE, address moar pls!

This.

lolwut?

You should have used your ability to activate your Resolve Bar! Just click it and go! /sarcasm off We do have a patch coming in a few days. Let us hope it fixes something.