the new smuggler set looks like i should be driving kids to school in my fancy pants space bus.

as a scoundrel i can tell you, we are severely underpowered and the people saying thier balanced or OP are people who 1) dont play the class (Valor rank 50 + pvp) 2) are getting jumped by a scoundrel while theyre being ganked by a sorc/merc/anyone simultaneously 3) Dont know what to do when their body hits the floor on the opener and just gets up and runs away aimlessly 4) Hasnt seen played a scoundrel in huttball (Valor Rank 50 Pvp) 5) Hasnt used our joke of a healing tree (Valor Rank 50 Pvp) 6) Plays a sorc. 7) Doesnt understand that if we killed you, its because our gear outclassed you or im incredibly experienced with playing scoundrel. 8) and most of ALL. Still doesnt know that the only thing u have to do to beat a OPs/scoundrel is turn around and fight back. GG u just won. P.S A good scoundrel can take you from full to 1/3 using every single one of his god damn cooldowns and every trick in the book. At which after this point if he killed you. Hes effectively useless. However its at this 1/3 HP point, that u then proceed to turn around force lightning/tracer missle/CC the crap out of this now useless scoundrel while your teammates come and do the same. Hence the score becomes You - 1 Scoundrel - 0 And then you heal up of course. So no, scoundrels are horrible. Just under certain circumstances they can seem better than they actually are. /endrant

Were talking about how long it takes to exit combat and your suggestion is to MANAGE MY COOLDOWNS? Theres no cooldown for "Leaving Combat" Go back to doing something simple like spamming grav round on your commando instead of posting on the forums. Nobody's asking for a broken buff to our class, what were suggesting is a general improvement that improves the gameplay of all classes during PVP.

OP is right. Plus your arguement is just plain unconvincing. Why do you keep bringing up Vanish? Thats not what hes talking about, were not trying to change the CD on Vanish at all. What hes talking about is those times when a stealther comes out of stealth (or is pushed out) attacks, fights, does his thing and either the opponent runs or you run and because neither of you died, you stay in combat for literally... DAYS. Were not going into the whole "I aoe/dot you out of stealth" because in that situation its fine. But its when your completely alone on your side of the map and the game still thinks your in combat that it becomes irritating and annoying since alot of essential skills require you to be out of combat. We cant go back into stealth which is the whole point of our class or use our 15sec recuperate skill even though were completely alone and the fight ended hours ago. They need to find a better way for the system to detect that you've left combat. Not saying reduce the time it takes to leave combat, but make the system smarter so it can detect when you REALLY aren't in combat.

LAWL Tracer missle hero killed me. Yup game defintely needs to address some class balance issues. But thank god those scoudrels got the nerfstick up the *** huh? stupid BW.

its completely true that the assassin tank spec is now so riduclous and it needs attention to be put into it. But i feel the nerfs should stop. lets put everything else into fair ground with the sin tanks rather than nerfing some class to the ground everytime BW fails to make class balance. but for those who dont know, heres the new sin tank for ya. 1) Survivablity up the ***. A Better tank than guardian by far IN LIGHT ARMOR. no ****s were given that day at BW. 2) dps that matches its deception tree with the survivablity of a tank. It has enough dps to be considered a damager dealer... but tanks better than a guardian. Huh? and finally... the icing on the cake of all broken classes. 3) Access to some of the most devasting CC's in the game, taken straight out the sorc handbook. force speed. yup. aoe knockback. yup. force stun. yup. U name the CC and the shadow probably has it, due to it being the blood brother of the currently most OP(that means over powered and overpopulated) class in the game... The sith inquistor (sorc) So basically if u choose sith inquistor/consular at the character creation selection screen. You are now guaranteed the ability to **** all in pvp. skill not included. EDIT: to all the people who say the balance is light armor. Make the character yourself and try it out. I cant remember the last time a guy in cloth and fabric took less damage than a fully geared tank..... and then turned around and DID more dmg too. Light armor is no restriction. they dont die any quicker. if ur a shadow in light armor, than your a tank who wont die for his life. If your a sorc in light armor, than u have a bubble thats always ready to go. For light armor... id say they have the best survivability in the game thanks to all the utility they've been given. I mean you dont see scoundrels/operatives outlasting sorcs in pvp do you?

shadow/sin tanks are better tanks than guardians. By far. More survivablity/better dps/more utility they bring out more dps than their deception tree and make operatives so called "burst" look like ****. They have almost all the CC's of the sorc. force speed, knockback, stuns. U name it. its basically the sorc if he suddenly got buff and grew an extra lightsaber edge. One of the best melee classes in the game now. and ironically stemmed from the same broken base class, THE INQUISITOR. I think we found our new FOTM boys.

quick shot? works.. for... me

Jackpot. cuz im the luckiest ***** in the galaxy. seems like a fitting name for a charming space pirate who always has his way

Do you plan on addressing the massive complaints that scoundrels/operatives have been thrown out the competitive PVP scene due to the recent update?

lmao +1 internets to you sir

powerr do you agree with the 31/10 kinetic build being more viable in pvp than your burst spec after the 1.1.2 patch? is your burst spec still better or is it just a different approach to playing the shadow (Theyre both equally effective in pvp)

lol at all the sorcs in the first couple pages trying to prove theyre class isnt OP. i say we nerf them harder than ops and sins combined. pfft "who says BW didnt intend on having OP hybrid sorcs?" excuse me did u see patch 1.1.2?

How do i put this? ..... i dont have time for this. Just go back to WOW "real pvper" and stop QQing

whoever got the starkiller legacy is one lucky sonuva***** I will find you.. starkiller >.>

I love you and i named my characters Kylar and Dehvi props for the night angel reference

whos paying you guys to open these threads up? Im seriously getting tired of the nerf this, nerf that posts..... just effing play and stop playing forum pvp.

Go back to WOW. QQ moar I love the delicious tears of pve players thinking theyre good at PVP

OP scared of a little gear balances? maybe if u were just GOOD at pvp, u wouldnt give a rat's *** what they did to pvp gear

Buff the freaking **** out of Ops/scoundrels. No more scoundrels More dead swiss army sorcs who can do anything cuz theyre class is OP to le max. More players

Best and most positive idea ive seen since all the wow fanboys got homesick and started bashing swtor. + 1 to OP

Moar pod racing plox.

Stop. the. Motha #@)%@()#$ QQ. Forums: OMG This is is sooo stupid where are the level 50 brackets??? Insta Unsub and QQ back to WOW Like a week later... Bioware: We heard you guys and released level 50 brackets. Forums: Why cant I customize UI ***? Bioware: Here UI customization, Chill the eff out mane. Forums: QQ!! End game generally still sucks i hate this. Unsub back to WOW. Bioware: Here more updates, flashpoints. Your welcome. Forums: Omg scoundrels and operatives kill me in .5 secs! NERF THEM! (Now this imo was just dumb) Theyre supposed to do something along the lines of that. Theyre squishy, glass cannons. Remove thier ability to kill 1 person, and thier useless. Even though in team based WZ, they got ***** and in 1v1's (no stealth suprise) they got owned. BUT WHAT DOES BW DO? Bioware: Alright! Alright! FINE, community comes first, well do something about ops/scoundrels *Nerf Hits, scoundrels and ops become balanced, and still QQ because they want their lightsaber/sorc classes to rule the game* Forums: I cant take this! QQ! PVP GEAR IS SO UNBALANCED. My fresh 50 does nothing in pvp, i cant even play. My sentinel/marauder sucks! This game is bawls! Unsubness to the wowness Bioware: For the love of god! #%(*&@#$(@* Here well nerf pvp gear a bit, well give a little more dps to the squishy sentinels/marauders. Were doing everything you ask here!! Like just take a step back and see the last month of swtor. Were all acting like babies.. You QQ about everything and when bioware fixes it, u just QQ about something else. Granted i know theres alot to fix, but your making swtor look horrible to people who are still on edge about trying it. I honestly just feel, its not BW anymore, just alot of you dont want to throw away their seven year wow experience and leave it behind for this. Which is fine, alot of you probably committed alot to WOW and arent ready to just move on, but please stop flaming swtor and making it look so bad. I mean the community is just getting down right terrible over here. Even those who unsubbed, You all know that if BW gets a good couple months on this, itll be a great game, much better than WOW. O and for anyone who says somes of these updates arent in the game, theyve been already announced so just chill the **** out and wait... I just hope its not like this when GW2 comes out >.>