Re-read my post and try again, at level 38 you still have no idea how end game functions. You don't, and you aren't even playing a defense spec which is where the majority of guardian problems stem from. You can kill things with focus spec, who can't?! That has nothing to do with your playstyle or skill, it just means you stacked a bunch of OP talents and use an AOE, it's THE cookie cutter spec right now. Go spec defense, get to 50 and try to tank a hard mode, do some dailies and raid. Then you can come talk with the big boys. Till then what you don't know could fill the Grand Canyon.

Wait wait wait...you're 27?! HAH! dude i'm 50, what you don't know about this class right now would fill the Grand Canyon! Get to 50 and try tanking Hard modes, and get back to me after that scooter. You would have a half valid argument if Vigi tree wasn't better at tanking than our Defense tree is. Please find some common sense, grasp hold and never let go.

Definitely!

Cheap Shot for Scoundrel, Head Shot for Gunslinger, it's that easy.

/bump no idea, wonderin about this myself as well I think the OP means 1.2 though.

I have a 50 Guardian, 43 Scoundrel, 40 Shadow, and 33 Vanguard. Anyone who thinks there is no problems with Guardian is either blind, hasn't played other classes to find out how bad they really are, or just wants to sound like an awesome player for all the cool kids on the forums. That being said I tank FPs and 4mans fine as long as my team is willing to work with me. On my Vanguard and Shadow it takes little work, I just tank and thats that. On my Guardian I need CCs and battle plans. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, but you who claim you're "fine" need to understand where the complaints are coming from. It's that other classes don't have to work as hard to achieve a goal. I don't mind working as long as everyone else is too. If tanking and holding hate is this hard on all classes cool, but it's not. Trust me as someone who has played all 3 tanks 30+ Guardian is definitely the roughest to play, in PvE and PvP no matter what the setting. The OP definitely has reason to complain. I have been playing MMOs since 2001 and I can safely say the Guardian is the worst tank I have ever played. If you don't think so it probably means you don't have near the experience that others have at playing these sorts of games and this one is probably your 1st or 2nd MMO or time playing a tank class, or your behind on your missions and they're all green.

That being said on a threat level I would like to see our talent "Command" get a change that makes Cyclone Slash generate a high amount of threat. To make this fair, it should also have it's focus cost changed to 3 and put a 4 second cool down on it and buff it's damage by at least 100%. Currently this ability is lack luster and most people I talk to don't train it and take it off their bar. Also get rid of Hilt Strike, we can't use the stun when it matters anyway, just get rid of it and give us Force Pull...we're Jedi too it makes no sense that we don't use this ability. Don't tell it's from a PvP stand point because we have Force Push, they aren't the same thing and it's not like we can do Force Push 30 yards out. All tanks in this game should have a pull/threat mechanic. I have a Shadow at 40 and Vanguard at 33 and trust me you do miss it when you play Guardian. Also boost both AOE and Single taunt to 8 seconds, 6 is a little ridiculous for any class, even the trooper. This isn't needed, it's more of a quality of life buff that any class would love. Also I do agree with Guardian Slash having a threat gen attached, that is needed. That covers a ranged threat gen, a melee/AOE threat gen, and a single target melee threat gen. As far as being able to survive, it needs to be in our talent tree not really Soresu, but taking away the loss of focus in Soresu would be nice...

Honestly we just have too many abilities they say "this aids in survivability" but can't be used on bosses. When i'm fighting elites or champs that have no boss immunity i'm fine on threat and health. We have 2 stuns one that gens threat and force push plus a 3rd stun on force leap, and blade barrier. The problem is we can't use all this awesome crap that is supposed to let us survive when it comes to a boss, I never have any problems holding hate over a boss, but taking a hit as well as a trooper, can't do it. On anything less I can out live any trooper 99 times out of 100. The class honestly just needs a skill tree overhaul. It's the only tank with no additional armor % talent. We have no way of getting more endurance like the Shadow and Trooper in our tree. It's the only tank with no pull threat gen ability (Harpoon/Force Pull) instead we got Hilt Strike which is melee only, Vanguard get Storm and Shadow get Force Speed so our Force leap does not make up for this loss nor does Saber Throw as the Shadow can TK throw from 30 m and Trooper can do tons from that range. The shadow gets Slow Time Vanguard gets tons of aoe to choose from, we get no answer to that on a threat level. Our tree is just pooh pooh.

Difficult my behind, Dark Age of Fing Camelot did this. Have we as players just completely set the bar so low that we continually forget what past MMOs have easily done. DAOC was released when...2001 i'm thinking. So in 11 years we have made no strides in technological achievement, no we've actually gone backwards. It's difficult to do?! Someone get this moron his paycheck. Go hire one of Mythic's flunkies from 2001 and have him come in and do it for you. This isn't rocket science. It's a freakin' hood down option, no different than a "Hide head slot" option. Don't tell me you can make my Jedi scale floors with force leap in a video game and then tell me the very same team can't make a hood down option, this guy needs to start smelling what he is shoveling.

I agree, we need some love, you finally have Shadow/Assassin in a good place, now you can devote all of your attention to us Guardian/Juggernauts. Btw Hilt Strike is not a good substitute for force pull and Harpoon. Give us force pull, we're jedi too. Also some sort of AOE threat ability would be nice.

Please make hood toggling happen, I didn't spend 15 minutes customizing my character to have almost every feature covered up with some stupid hood for 40 levels of my career and then look like something Silver Samurai **** out his *** at 50.

Yeah, seriously, why can't I just look like a Jedi, like normal white Robes like they wore in the movies? That crap looked cool. Current PvP gear looks like Iron Man and the Silver Samurai had a love child. Ridiculous!

Captain Jaryn Quasar

That is ridiculously spot on...I seriously couldn't have added anything, in fact it helped me better connect the dots in my own mind. Thank you.