Isn't that sort of an oxymoron? Your OK with a system that works to get a group of soloer's, pugs, together in order to have a ranked warzone, like a group finder. Yet you are against a solo que...which in essence is the same as a group finder that is grouping a bunch of soloer's, pugs, into a group for a ranked warzone honestly, isn't that the same crap?!?!?!?! It's still not a premade, it's just another Pug

That's crazy. In the same token as you just said, I could then say, people who get their rated warzone armor through rated warzone's should only be allowed to play on rated warzones and are not allowed back into regular warzones because they achieved their armor quicker then the soloer's of this game. The problem with warzone armor is not that it takes so damn long to get, the problem with the armor concept is that it's dependent on a group. If it's a group that you form, then you all have the same goal in sight. However, the group that the warzone puts you into, everyone has their own objective. So while you might be playing to win in order to get those rated comms, you have one or two or even three people who don't care about the objectives, who don't care about winning. All they want to do is run around and kill people. And your comms are dependent on those jerks. Armor should always be dependent on yourself and not on others, especially when those others have other goals then the one's stated by the game. The other problem with the comms is the repetitive missions. It would have been much better to find a guild and raid once a week and be able to pick up one armor piece per every two weeks to 1 month for your class. At least you won't be board of doing the same repetitive crap over and over again (regarding Black hole gear here, not pvp gear). But I stand by what you said, soloer's should not be able to do rated warzones. Therefore, people who received their rated warzone comm's and gear through rated warzones should not be allowed to play in regular warzones because they have an unfair advantage over the soloer's of this game.

NEGATIVE If they want sages to NOT be DPS, then they should remove our two ******** DPS tree's. I just unsubbed, I'm having much more fun playing GW2 anyways. BW can go **** themselves after screwing up a great concept of a game.

yea, from everything I've been seeing in GW2, it looks better balanced then SWTOR. Not only that but it also looks like a nice change from SWTOR's Cookie Cutter character templates where everyone is the same. In GW2, for a ranger for instance, you can focus on duel wielding or 2h wielding, short bow or long bow, Focus on stronger better pets...it's not like here where you see a guardian and say, ok, I know all of their moves. Here you may see a warrior but you don't know how he's spec'ed out which makes him harder to defeat. This also means you can customize your toon more towards your play style, like I'm a range guy, I'll be focusing on the longbow with my ranger. The crafting on GW2 is nice as well. you can learn two skills, like armor and weapon, but if you wanted to change to say baking, you can drop, not unlearn, drop one trade skill to learn the new one. then if you wanted to go back to what you had you can without having to start all over. If you where level 50 in smithing, dropped it, then went back to it, you'll be level 50 still with the same recipes you had before you dropped it, which is sweet. And as for the video, no one goes down fast in GW2 unless they are being attacked by more then one person. GW2 battles are drawn out, you really need to see some better video's.

I'm sorry, I know this isn't a discussion thread but this is driving me crazy. Don't you people play your own game? Honestly, if you where to play your own game you would already know the answer's to those questions. If you read your PvP forums you'll know the answer to these questions just the same. There is a black and white difference in class balance that anyone who plays the game can see, which brings me back to my original question, do you guys play your own game?

I play a DPS sage, or at least it's suppose to be a dps sage but we're not. I play a hybrid, Tele/Balanced. 1. How do you think your Sage spec is perceived by other classes? The majority of people I have come across believe dps sages are useless because other classes can provide the same benefits as sages and put out better dps burst. We are looked upon as the 'easy kill' and are ALWAYS the first targeted in PvP because of this. Many people call us 'Support DPS class' (which is the newest term I've been reading on the forums) and healer class and utility class, but none of our tree's are utility tree's, they are either heal, or damage spec'ed. 2. How do you perceive your own spec? In PvP I am to weak compared to all other classes. In a 1v1 I go down in less then 10 seconds unless I get a newb that doesn't know how to PvP and he lets me kite him around, in which case it then takes me 45 seconds to 1 minute to kill him. I have had two sages (me and one other sage), attack a marauder, a 2 on 1, the marauder won because he's doing 2.5k and upwards to 6k damage per hit while I'm only doing 500 to, if I'm lucky, 1.5k per hit. I do not have the Burst DPS necessary to compensate for my weak armor. On the backside of that coin, I have no defenses useful enough to compensate for my lack of burst DPS. This class is broken beyond belief, a glass cannon with no cannon. It's longer then 3 sentences and I'm sorry but this class is so screwed up that you can't answer it in three sentences. I wish I could write you more but you probably won't read it, not even sure if you are reading it now.

And this is why I have so much trouble finding a ranked pvp group to get into <sigh>

If BW doesn't want to fix sages burst DPS problem, why can't they at least give us a use for our sabers? Currently it's just a stat stick for us. Why not increase our defenses by giving us some sort of deflection/ripost ability in PvP with our sabers? Not much, just enough to help us last longer then the normal 5 to 10 seconds and gives us a reason to have a saber?

I just thought I'd share this with all of you, Classic case of a sage backpedaling because he knows that the Marauder is gonna rip him a new tail....literally http://img.techpowerup.org/120705/070512jedi%20cats.jpg Do you think he stand a chance?

Sorry Scolo, my post wasn't aimed entirely at you except for the video part. Sorry if you took it that way. second, I do know what I'm doing, and most melee's get upset with me when I start kiting them around the place as I mentioned in an earlier post where one got pissed off at me and just left to go kill someone else after over a minute of me kiting him. But this guy was just impossible, Every time he jumped to me, less then 5 seconds to react, the first two seconds I'm stunned from the leap. The only time that my stun actually stunned him and I force ran away from him is when he threw his saber for 4.7k damage. There is no way any sage could defend from that, When I respawn and see him fighting someone else, I throw everything I had at him and I couldn't even get him down to 3/4 health with that other person attacking him, my pebbles where doing like 400, my FiB was doing only like 900 on him, how the hell am I suppose to defend myself and attack as a DPS class doing 400 and 900 damage to an opponent that does, on average 5k damage to me? On top of that, he's a meatshield which means he has higher resists, higher armor, higher hit points...I mean seriously, he shouldn't be doing that kind of DPS. How can you call that balanced? How can you actually defend this? In all the online games I have ever played, this has been the worst when it comes to class balance. They don't even follow the traditional, balanced, class formula that all other online MMO's have followed since I can remember. You mentioned the guy being in war hero, everyone on the forums claims the stat difference between war hero and battlemaster is not that much, which means there shouldn't have been a huge discrepancy between us like say, battlemaster and recruit gear. This is just the truth about how unbalanced the classes are in the game. And no need to impress me with a video, first, I know first hand what a sage can do. Second, when I see a video, I like to see evenly geared opponents, not a one sided battle, that doesn't show skill unless the underdogs are actually winning.

That video is the best you could do? Honestly? He was playing against a group of newbs. Look at the final numbers, the fact that his entire team is on the top half and the enemy team is on the bottom half is proof that the enemy team was way under geared for that match, which brings up one of the biggest universal problems this game has in PvP, it doesn't even out the playing field, it just throws whoever into whatever match without taking armor/expertise into consideration. The only opponent I saw that was not undergeared was Lunatic at 7:20 into the video. she's a meatshield, look as he is not even close to breaking out of the three digit damage range. He can only damage her for 402, 350, everything under 500 except for one crit that did something like 850 damage, and with two people on top of her, the one your praising plus another guy, and they still couldn't take her down and she was actually winning against the two of them. That's the way the majority of warzones are. The meatshields surviving everything and dishing out the best damage. Not what you saw in the first 7 minutes of a BM/WH armored guy running around killing people in recruit gear or worse. Lets be honest here and tell me you noticed that but are trying to pull a fast one on people here. Last night I played a match that had a sith tank, a 'meat shield' killing me, full battlemaster almost BiS, in under 5 seconds. When I looked at the logs, I was getting hit for 3700 to 6800 points of damage continuously. And he kept on targeting me, because I'm a sage and he could do away with me within 5 seconds, fully Battlemastered. I"m not a great sage, but I am a good sage and I can kite, but there was no way to kite this guy, if I remember correctly his name is Xeref or Xeres or something like that. The one time that I did have the ability to get some distance from him he threw his saber at me for 4700 points of damage, which finished me off. My best attack doesn't even come close to 4700 points of damage, I'll be lucky if I can break 3k. Yet, your saying that a sage to do 3k damage is overpowering? Now that's ******** if I ever heard it. Simple truth that everyone knows, meatshields should never be able to out DPS a DPS class, yet it is happening in this game. Caster's who wear light armor should always do more damage then a meatshield, yet, they don't in this game. You have to give something to receive something, tanks give up DPS for HP and armor, Caster's give up armor and HP for DPS. But this game throws those rules out the window and gives everything to the meatshield. If you claim that sages do not need a DPS boost, then you don't play a sage in PvP in the 50's. A shadow, who's main weapon is suppose to be the lightsaber, has better force attacks and can do higher DPS using ONLY force attacks compaired to it's Force User only counterpart, the sage. BW is giving the consular MELEE class both, melee attacks and the best force attacks while it gives the Force side a pitiful melee attack and a joke of force attacks. If they wanted to make sage's healers, then they should not have given us two dps tree's, they should have given us two healing tree's and a balanced tree for defense. In the end, BW knows that they ****ed up when they nerfed us and instead of admitting that they where wrong, they are just not touching us at all. Notice how all other classes got something removed or was given something except for sages. It's because they know they ****ed us up so bad that anything else they do to us will completely kill that class. It would be nice if they would just admit their *********** mistake.

I managed to get one PvP match this morning before work and it's the first time I heard a sith call me annoying over /say. Normally they just say that we suck, but this guy called me annoying. Marauder attacks, I slow, dot, and start casting what I can, when bubble breaks, I push and reslow, he comes back to me I stun and back up while using my mobile attacks (which suck), then slow, he comes at me again I force lift and run away to heal. he comes at me once force lift was done and it was a rinse and repeat the above process...three times! THREE TIMES I had to do this and I still was not able to do enough DPS to kill him, but while force lifted he had the time to call me annoying and once it broke, he ran off to attack someone else and left me alone. It sucks when anyone can take me down in less then 10 seconds but I can't take one person down in over a minute! Where the **** is the fun in that? Actually, that's probably what the marauder was saying also, where the **** is the fun of chasing this guy around? Last night I had a sniper shoot me 4 times and I was dead. 4k to 6k shots each, and one of them I was actually behind a pillar, so not sure how that one got me! yet you think that a sage doing 2k damage is just right or to powerful?!?!?!?!?! What the ****! I'm full battlemaster with one piece warhero, two pieces short of BiS for battlemaster and I"m getting hit for 4-6k and I can't break 3k damage, yet I'm fine?!?!?! and according to some I'm overpowered? This is just ********. If it's not 'fair' or 'balanced' for me to do 5 to 6k damage on people, then why is it fair for a sniper to do it? Sniper is as close to sage class as it gets, plus they have medium armor! I love playing a sage, I love being a caster, I love wizard classes, but this is not a wizard class at the moment. The only thing I can do with this class is piss people off by pulling them away from the fight and stunning/pushing/lifting them while I run away just to keep them, and myself, from having fun with the rest of the people in the warzone.

This is funny, you go to a thread about sage's not being able to DPS and everyone tells you it's because sages are not a dps class, that they are a "support and utility" class. Someone ask's which classes are considered DPS classes and everyone say's Sages are DPS classes. I think we need to get our **** together here

Its funny that you said this because last night in civil war they left me, dps sage, so protect snow on my own, so I sarcastically typed in ops, please don't leave the sage alone guarding a node. To my surprise someone actually turned back, a smuggler, two ranged guarding a node. after a while a sith marauder runs over and of course, targets me, the scoundrel helping me defend started healing me, so the marauder get's pissed, leaves me alone and attacked the scoundrel, so I started healing the scoundrel while he dps'ed the marauder. We took him down and he came back for seconds. After failing a second time he came with help, and with the scoundrels stuns we where able to hold off. Was preatty cool, until 4 came our way and we both called incoming at the same time, LOL, after that I remember a faint haze of being rezzed on a ship

This is crazy, a lot of times I'm stuck guarding a node with one other person. And a lot of times we're just standing there praying for some sort of action. I personally have never used noble sacrifice or whatever it's called and not even sure if I have it since I don't have it on my action bar, but if i did, I probably would use it to help me gain some medals because sitting there twiddling your thumbs is boring as ****! However, if I was guarding a node on my own, which is kind of ridiculous to have a sage guarding a node on his own, I wouldn't be doing that at all, only if I had a tank with me would I do it.