I personally have had no issues, I dont have PT pyro so i dont know about the DOT part myself but I know the grapple doesnt work if your on resolved. I hardly ever see these OP PT's or vanguards topping the scoreboard or even the DPS (I play both 50 and pre 50 brackets frequently on the Fatman) I am just not seeing it. I get more irritated with ops/scoundrel stuns personally but I dont see that as OP either (take it away and they drop fast) I dunno, from where I sit I cannot justify for any reason labeling them or really any class OP, and no I dont have a PT pyro, mara, or op:P I have a shieldtech PT, I do have a little sent that I play ever couple of weeks, a sorcerer that I am leveling that I really enjoy, etc. My 50's or PT Shieldtech and Rage Juggernaut, and I have every class that I play occasional (comes with being an altoholoic and want to see all sides) I am sorry but I disagree with any need to nerf post as I cant find any reason to and obviously the metrics didnt either since they didnt get nerfed.

......wow another one of these threads...... How about learning to counter them rather than screaming "NERF" because you cant beat em. I honestly havent had any issues with any class the the point of saying they are truly OP. People need to quit whining. I dont think half the people here understand what OP is, its not having strong abilities or being easy to pick up, its when a class really is steamrolling through everything, this is not PT/Vanguard. If you do your research you can find exampels, for instance the "Two button Rogue" was OP. TL;DR Quit whining, its not OP, try to adapt to counter rather than cry nerf...

So what your saying is an AC that has the ability to tank should not be able to effectively DPS? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? So in your mind Juggernaut/Guardian Assassin/Shadow and Powertech/Vanguard should ONLY be able to tank effectively....If they spec DPS they ARE DPS if they spec tank they ARE tank periods.

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Well if they hadnt take out the ability to poll in forum I would do that:P (never understood why they took polls out of their forums but its annoying as they were accurate since you had to have an account to vote and could only vote once:P)

^Bingo. The entire purpose of having specs is so that you can alter your character to your style. In almost every MMO of this type including WoW, RIFT, DDO, LOTRO DaOC etc armor is limited by CLASS not spec. Why would they change it here? I think some people will never be happy. Same people tend to tell the whole wz how they are "bads" from the bottom of the scoreboard:P

Just wait, happens in all MMO's every class will get its turn to be the class the forums cry nerf for. If people could actually learn their classes rather than expect devs to change others to suit them it would all be so much better

You dont even know what gear level or skill level I am talking about, which invalidates this.You shouldnt just assume that someone who disagrees with you is some level 10 who just wants to argue. Been here from the beginning thank you so I would like to think I have some idea of what I am talking about. And believe me when I say I am NO expert in pvp, mediocre, maybe good, maybe and I still have no issue because I ADAPT to the fight at hand instead of expecting a single rotation to win every fight for me. PvE-Know your rotations and fights=win PvP-Adapt to each and every situation or die

You are very right. It happens in many MMO's including WoW. People whine and cry about things being difficult so they make it easier then they whine and cry its too easy. Devs can win in this respect. I remember in WoW when people would whine about the lock and pally mounts, so they made them trainable rather than a 2 week grindfest, then people complained that locks and pallys had it too easy. Truth be told, the MMO crowd is wishy washy, and can never make up their damn minds.

lol, not really but unless I am seeing it wrong a win gets more rewards than being the top of the losing team

Whats being asked for, at least from what I have seen, is like WoW's arena 2v2 3v3 ad 5v5, small combat, just kills no objectives. I have even seen requests for 1v1 areas (which in my opinion, if they tried to balance for that would throw the whole game outta balance)

http://www.poll4you.com/showpoll.php?id=44206&type=link Just as the title says, do you want arenas in SWTOR? I personally am against them for various reasons as I have stated in many many threads on this, I thought question had died but apparently has resurfaced. So I decided to take a poll and see what happens. Do you or dont you want arenas in SWTOR?

You make a valid point. I know on my PT I have aprox 45% dam reduction 34% shield chance and 31-39% absorb (depending on ability stacking, I forget the name but using two of the instant flame skills increase shield by 2% stacking up to 5 times) So theoretically I can have almost all of the damage mitigated.

I disagree with you on guard for one reason, and that is the one guarding is taking damage. If it just reduced the damage by 50% instead of the tank taking it I would definitely be behind you on that but its less reducing the damage over all and more transfering the damage to the tank.

I have a PT, I am not pyro, I am shield tech, I tank PvE and PvP. I do not top damage, I do usually top protection though. I spend whole warzones keeping healers up so all the dps people can stay alive and get unbeatable award, so keep that in mind if you whine me into a nerf I probably cant keep your healer alive who then wont heal you and then you will die A LOT more. All this OP crap is getting really old, learn to play as a team and youll quickly find that NO CLASS is OP and that if you play as a coordinated team the opponents who do not do this have no chance.

^ I usually have no trouble dropping them unless I am being focused. They arent overpowered you just have to know what your doing.

More often than not, people complaining about classes being "OP" really means "I got my *** kicked by this class because I don't know how to counter them therefore they must be overpowered because it could not possibly be my lack of skill that lead to my defeat." Apparently the metrics used don't show mara/sent as OP and in all honesty I don't think they are either (my sent is only 30 though) I don't have a tanksin, I don't have a pyro PT, my sniper is level 13 and haven't played him in months and I don't think any of them are OP but that's just me.

I think your bugged:P I have gotten defender plat a few times on my commando

I lost one, one that was randomly generated and I cant even remember what it was originally. All the ones that I came up with on my own transfered fine. I have never had an issue with names in an MMO, then again I dont put words together, use anything close to famous names or use anything basic. I have been using the same set of names since before graphical MMOs came out (back when MUDs where the "online games")

I really like that idea, this would up the ante quite a bit and force people to pay attention more. I think this would stop some of the boring VS games where no one blows a door:P

I know people must have more ideas on how to increase PvPs likability for all and I would like to think that people can do so constructively. Keep it coming you dont have to use just the question I used those to help inspire the topic to get started

You make a lot of good points, and I just hit 30 on my sent and am starting to see where people may complain (gaining a 6 second 100% armor pen, add that with master strike/ravage and your hittin HARD) but I have yet to call them OP as there is a much higher need to know how to play compared to other classes but I can see some MINOR tweaks may be needed. I also play a PT but as a shield tech I can usually hold out 4v1 long enough for backup to show up, and if I have a healer I can really start screwing peoples days up. PT is a very easy class to play once you get heat management down (I see way to many PT's drop because they max heat in a burst against one player and the second one ***** them while they wait to be able to use specials again) Good post, ty for input. As far as being too general in my questions if you could either elaborate or do the honors on specifying what you would like addressed.

It saddens me that people will argue the endless debt over arenas regardless to how past debates have gone, scream for nerfs, and whine in the forums but I try and make a truly constructive post and only a few bother to answer. I was really hoping I was wrong and the community was better than this. Thank you to the people who did post constructive responses.

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/sigh As I say in EVERY one of these threads that pops up, no. Various reasons but no. Not to mention every time someone does a poll on whether or not arena should be implemented its shot down and usually by a very wide margin