what did they do to ravage? haven't played in awhile.

So I cancelled my account about a month ago. They give me a free month to come back and realize that none of my BM mods were updated with the new stats. Thus I am to believe they gave me a free month to come back and confirm I made the right decision in cancelling. I submitted a ticket asking them to update my mods to the new stats but they said it was my fault for modding my gear. OK...

Try alt+ mwheel for zoom. I zoom all the time.

Looking over your setup again I realized something. Do you turn with your keyboard?

Are you using a naga or nostromo? If not your setup doesn't seem very efficient. The idea is to make your keybinds within easy reach and minimize the number of them. I also have my other bars bound as well but my main post effectively cuts the number of keybinds you will need by 10-12.

I've noticed that a lot of Juggernauts complain about not having enough keybinds. I've used this since vanilla WoW when I learned this from a mage named Otherguy (some of you guys may know of him from his sorrow hill series). Anyway, here is a really simple and effective tip. While in-game, hit escape >> go to preferences >> go to the key bindings tab on the bottom >> go to quickslot on the left menu >> scroll down a bit to where it says quickslot page 1 and quickslot page 5 >> bind quickslot page 1 to mousewheel up >> bind quickslot page 5 to mousewheel down. (note: this will unbind your camera zoom from mwheelup and mwheeldown, i replaced my zoom keybinds with alt+mwheelup and alt+mwheeldown). You have now effectively doubled the use of your very best keybinds (the ones on your main bar). Hope this helps. You're welcome. BTW Just for reference my main bar keybinds are (in order): 1, 2, 3, 4, R, mwheelclick, Q, E, alt+Q, alt+E, mouse5, mouse4. As a side note: I use a Logitech mx518 mouse (best mouse ever), which I've owned for more than an entire decade (also I've at one point owned 3 - but I gave one to my brother, and I carry the other one now in my bag with my laptop). Point is, you don't need a razer naga or nostromo to play a Jug effectively. I've owned a nostromo and they're neat but overrated.

That extra second on choke lets me reliably get off an entire ravage on my choke target and I guess I just like the 1 extra second better in most scenarios. The 10% damage is nice but here it's simply a preference of utility over damage for me.

Hey Schwarzwald what set bonuses are you using currently? I'm using 2 set bonus from vindicator and 2 set bonus from war leader. All with custom mods. In fact I had to get 5 pairs of vindicator's leggings to get the mods I wanted and probably 5 pairs of vindicator's gloves to get the enhancements i wanted.

<3 BTW this went from being my top 2 spec to my #1 spec. Also you're right the damage you sacrifice really isn't a whole lot. Especially considering how much cc you gain and rage generation you gain in soresu.

Why did you adrenal again? Defeats the purpose of what i said before.

Yeah go to sleep you're spouting nonsense.

I agree. There's a reason he has 0 mvp votes even while doing 150k more damage then the next guy.

There's a big difference between someone who cares about damage, and someone who cares about damage and actively disregards objectives and their team. I don't see how you fail to grasp the simple concept that taunt and aoe taunt literraly cost you 0 resources.

You conveniently left out the remaining part. "... with a complete disregard for objectives and whether your team wins or loses." Even if damage was all you cared about it would also require that they not care about winning/losing or about objectives as well because taunt and aoe taunt being off gcds they never cost you any resources.

And I was explaining why your explanation doesn't make sense.

Neither taunt nor aoe taunt respect the GCD. There really is no excuse for having 0 protection unless I guess damage on scoreboards is all you care about with a complete disregard for objectives and whether your team wins or loses.

How do you have 0 protection? Really not one single taunt or aoe taunt? Not even an intercede? No guard?

Here are my stats btw with only unnatural might. Still missing most of the battlemaster pieces and still have tons of datacrons to farm. Stats: http://i.imgur.com/vtTFK.jpg Spec: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101frGczrbouRZhMMZM.1 Some Scoreboards: http://i.imgur.com/bCExS.jpg (most recent screenshot taken with 32/7/2 build on 2/17/2012) http://i.imgur.com/nDL5F.jpg (notice the class icons) http://i.imgur.com/FnaSf.jpg (example of 14/27 soresu vengeance build) edit: added updated spec.

1. No current end game content needs to exist for his statement to be true. It can still seem like a pve aoe spec even if no current pve aoe pulls exist. 2. You're right single target, vengeance is better.

Basically if you don't think your target will die within the next 6-12 seconds charge, s/a, shatter, scream, impale. If you do think your target will die within the next 6 seconds charge, s/a, impale, scream. Always try to have the 60% crit buff up when you execute. If your primary damage abilities above are on cooldown then smash. You should very rarely, if ever, have to use vicious slash or assault.

I was wondering how your stats were so much higher than mine. Then I realized in your screenshot you popped your adrenal and have the 5% endurance buff. You should really be using a screenshot of your unbuffed stats if you're going to label it - "what you want your stats to look like." Especially considering not everyone is biochem and not everyone always have a merc healer with them.

Let me ask you this: Are you consistently killing people in less than 12 seconds?

The build kinda centers around trying to force scream as much as possible... It makes sense then to make it free. Holding off on screams so you can use other attacks doesn't make sense.

You're also comparing the wrong things. You need to compare payback with intimidation, and battlecry with malice. Also, you never responded about ravager. How is payback healing you for 2500 consistently? Let alone 5k? Also am I correct then in making the inference that you never switch to soresu?

32/7/2 is still in my top two builds for pvp even after the patch.