I guess it depends on how they fight - they're based off of Darth Vader and the Emperor, after all. Presumably the Wrath would be able to beat Nox in a plain old stand up brawl in the same way Vader killed the emperor, but with time to get his ghosts ready, or really just plan at all, presumably Nox would win.

I've been thinking something like this for tank PvP: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200dcrokrskZZf0cRrMz.1 It seems like a good idea, so I'd imagine I'm not the only one thinking of doing this. I'm going to try using harnessed darkness in PvP a bit more before I totally write it off, though.

Yup! I'm darkness specced, and if a gold or a boss is kicking my butt I overload them away, then force speed and start zapping them with lightning and harnessed darkness etc. Kiting is definitely 100% possible, alternate slow and force speed since you're darkness. That's why I like assassin, some ranged stuff and some melee stuff.

You just need a few more levels before aggro holding becomes easy; lacerate should make you have no problems. Another thing you absolutely need to do if you haven't is have guard on your highest threat character and make sure all the dps are hitting the same target.

On my server everyone just votes for the healer, so if there's a healer on the team you have no chance of getting MVP no matter what you do, even if (I've done this before) you plant every single bomb and grab the data core single handedly. Of course, now that I think of it, maybe nobody knew it was me since I did it single handedly.

We've got some RPing going on Empire side, good luck on republic side.

Server forums on my old WoW server and CoH server were actually quite active, definitely needs a server forum. As for the grouping tool, I agree that it's not really a good idea for community, though I can see it being quite necessary on some servers since there isn't any really good global server chat.

Not much to say, just saying I have a huge problem with this too. I was trying to figure out what it was about the characters that made me get so damn pissed off, and now that you mention it, it's this. I love the rest of the game, but this responsiveness is just bad. City of Heroes (the mmo I've played the most) actually has pretty decent responsiveness too, not quite on WoW's level but it feels very natural.

Pretty sure it's all our gear that sucks, hahaha. I also can't comprehend why we don't have any darth maul robes. Also, why does 3/4 of our gear have light red (PINK) or white on it as a primary color? There are almost no black robes.

So your argument is you can't use it to close a gap because you have to use it to close a gap? What the hell?

Another thing players will do is pick one of the stealth classes and just hide in a corner the whole match. Seen that happen a few times on my server. Report report report...

Well, assuming it's not some kind of crazy hacking then they're probably using force cloak, makes you invisible and pulls you out of combat. If he uses a double bladed saber that's probably what happened. Also, download speed has nothing to do with ping. I download at 1 Mb/s but end up with over 500 ping sometimes.

Oh my god, how does that even happen? Was everyone on the team pulling 5 fps, keyboard turning while clicking using a bugged out mouse and simultaneously talking on cell phones and cooking dinner? How is it possible you didn't even capture your own point? You can capture that before they even get there! The issue there wasn't levels, your players just didn't know what to do. Also, why is it all the nerf cries come from republic players? You realize that the classes are IDENTICAL, right? And you don't see people shouting nerf consular...

Good points, especially the one about the animation difference. I'm an assassin and I can see this is a bit of an issue. I guess you could say it lets you do damage in sudden bursts, but still...They should just have the damage go off instantly, and let the thing go flying at its own speed. That's how they did it in City of heroes and it works well. I do have to disagree a little about stealth being bad though. I think it's fine EXCEPT that going out of combat needs to happen much faster and not be based on what teammates are doing.

Yeah, same here. The stealth effect is gone from my screen by .5 sec after I start using the bombs.

#1 makes complete sense to me. #2 is a little off, I think. I mean, stealth is stealth. You have to approach people from the back or they can see you. If it bothers you, stealth check. #3 The CC is pretty big in this game, yeah. I don't actually mind it all that much though, maybe I'm just crazy or used to Guild Wars or something. But you had an interesting idea. Each of the melees could have a special thing; the powertechs have some long range attacks, the assassins can stealth, and maybe it can be changed so the juggernauts/marauders could resist CC super well

If you just go off Vader from the movies obviously Revan will wipe the floor with him. But I think Vader would win by a huuuge margin if you're using vader from Force Unleashed. Playing as vader in the beginning was awesome, they shoulda had the whole game be vader beating the crap out of people.

Overload doesn't stun in PvP, Spike is a knockdown, electrocute lasts for 4 seconds. Spike and mind trap need to be used from stealth, and mind trap can only be used on targets out of combat. I'm an assassin and actually agree that the CC is ok, but in the interest of debate you should get the abilities right.

Yeah, I don't understand why all the inquisitor armor is terrible looking. And NONE of them look like darth maul robes. Or palpatine robes, for that matter. Some of these designs are so bad I can't believe someone was paid to make them. I'd rather have ridiculous hats I can hide but cool robes like the consulars over masks that don't work with hoods.

Absolutely nuts that they don't have server forums. There's so much good stuff in this game, and then something like this comes along and you just sit there and say to yourself "What? Really?" I just don't understand how anyone could rationalize having no server forums.

It always bothered me that you immediately took off as soon as you entered the ship, but now that you mention it, this is driving me nuts now too. If it takes off as soon as you get in, wouldn't you fall on your *** immediately as the ship suddenly moves super fast?

One thing I don't understand is why it only affects some abilities. For example, maul on my assassin has this problem but thrash doesn't...

I'm an officer in Shattered Oath, an empire side RP/PvP guild on the server. Send me a message here or in game if you want to join; my character's name is Mordant. There's no overarching plot or anything like that in the guild, just people who like to fight republic and RP sometimes. We have around 30-40 members right now, still growing.

What level are you? I'm getting toward 30 on my assassin tank and he's awesome, I can take out 3 gold mobs and a silver at once. But from 10-25 or so I wanted to bash my face in. The assassin tank skills are DEFINITELY back loaded. You don't get your aggro AoE till 26, and you don't get your full percentage of +AC until level 30! Assassin tanks are incredibly incredibly back loaded, my advice is play as deception until about 25. But when you finally level you have a ton of self heals, relatively high ac, super high shield chance, debuffs, and nice crowd control. And my assassin tank is doing fine in PvP; I'm usually first or second on the charts due to damage absorbed, and usually middle of the range for damage; above healers and the idiots, below the damage classes and the crazy prodigies, about where you'd expect.

Definitely need incentives, even something minor like the ability to loot commendations from even level + opponents would be fine and not take ridiculous amounts of effort.