Pheelin
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Did you completely forget about the Centurion Commendations? You can buy PvP gear with those you know. Getting the champion gear is just a bonus based on luck.
If you don't have the time to grind for the gear you want then why should you keep playing? Good job unsubscribing. There have been plenty of posts like this already and it is clear that people are not understanding that they might ACTUALLY HAVE TO GRIND in an MMO. Shoking.
His point is he has grinded far more than others that have gotten full sets.
I had some luck early on got a lot of peices now at almost valor 50 I've gotten like 6 pairs of pants, 15 implants, a few chest pieces and a bunch of relics. My companions that can wear the gear have them now and I have offspec gear but I am still missing 4 pieces 2 of which are both of my weapons.
Centurion gear blows.
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I don't play the class, so I would agree with you if it wasn't for the people doing absolutely nothing fro 4 seconds after I interrupt their missile.
They just run around not using any skill.
I'm not saying everyone does, but in all honesty, I usually say "watch this guy panic" on TS and 9 out of ten times I'm right about it. They just run around unable to comprehend when they can't use tracer missile.
Then you should kill them when they do that. If I get interrupted when my other abilities are on CD then it sucks but if other abilities are up I use them.
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Get rid of the ranged auto face in PVP and it would be a non issue.
That would break the Mercenary class 100% where it would become unplayable. Remove force leap, the pull abilities and stealth from the game so that I can have time to attack before people run through me 100 times a second while spamming abilities. Or let me use it on the move
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So having massive mitigation, heals, and tremendous DMG: that's fine?
Every single BH I see bends over and then I know I am dead.
I don't think havin capped expertise will make my heal operative any more resilient than it is now; BHs/troopers will still wipe the floor with me. Yea, sure I can interrupt it....once, then Mr. BH simply spams Mc'Happy Missles again 2x while I wait for the CD to come up.
As to havin no interrupt, guess what....any CC is an interrupt; so they just freeze you on ice then tee up for the near insta gib and the best part is they have so much mitigation via armors and abilities; they are near unkillable. Use CC break they say, LOL! With the shere amount of CC in this game, CC break is almost always on CD.
Something has to give, they should not have massive damage and god mode survivability all in one. It only gets more insane the better the gear. A full champ geared BH/Trooper is....invincible.
I am no where near invincible in almost full champ gear marauder, operative, assassins, powertechs, and snipers can all kill me just as fast as I can kill someone sometimes faster. You are a heal operative don't expect to kill anyone 1v1.
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So your defense, to point at another class thats known for being just as OP? Ya that totally justifies it.
I like that you didn't even quote the whole sentence let alone the paragraph.
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I don't think it's much of a complaint as much of that it is your highest damage total dealer, it's that it holds such a large majority. If you have 3-4 abilities hovering around 15-20% of your total damage and the rest below that, then it's fine for the most part. However, if yuor tracer missile is like 60% and everything else fills that 40%, then we have a problem. Which I know right now it's kind of hard to state the %age of damage each ability is doing and I don't have a BH of my own to really see for myself, but I can tell you it feels like all you guys do is tracer missile, instants or not, and those tracers hurt rather quickly.
And as to the operative...operative damage dealers are meant to be VERY powerful in their opener, though how powerful that opener is right now I feel is a little too high, but that is how they're supposed to work. They tell me that their steady dps out of stealth is a joke. Though I don't have nearly enough experience fighting them to make a judgement of that(truth be told I think I can count how many I've fought on one hand). High level ones obliterate me before I can stand up, however, lower level ones with which I now know what cc from them to break, are hardly a challenge at all and I'm not even 50 yet so you can't really call it expertise. Operative weakpoint is breaking their early cc and shutting down their opener.
However, the thread is about BH. And right now I see BHs do two things: Tracer Missile and Grapple me into traps....that's it.
Right now anything between a lvl 50 with gear and a non lvl 50 can't be counted. Anyone not level 50 I have absolutely no issue with 1v1. My gear just makes me too strong. Any 50 with the gear I have should be able to laugh at any no 50 trying to do dmg so the comparison between the 2 shouldn't even be made.
People that spam tracer missile only are doing it wrong. My rotation in a fight is 2x Tracer Missile followed by explosive dart (delayed detonation time), 1x Tracer missile, 1x Heatseeker missile. The final 3 abilities hit all at the same time for some nice burst. Then I follow up with a rail shot. I play it by ear after that alternating cooldowns when they are up with tracer missile only filling the gap between them. Using unload when the dmg boost talen procs.
edit: however, interrupting me or stunning me in my rotation can hurt me quite a bit.
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This PROVES my original point. We DONT spam only this ability, its the only ability you see being used because everything else is instant except for unload. We use about 15 or so other abilities that you don't see/pay attention to.
I know good players in other classes that can out damage me, they are as geared as I am. But the problem is MOST of the players aren't good at their class and don't realize their potential. I personally know marauders, snipers, operatives, and sorcs that out damage me.
You also have to realize that Mercs offer no utility except for the armor debuff that others get as well.
Mercenary should be a T1 class so if we are allowed to sit there and spam all our dps then we should be top.
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No, we complain because it is an autofacing spam ability that is quite powerful and its something that not a lot of classes can counter besides one interrupt for four seconds that is on an extremely long cooldown. And after that four seconds, all we hear is more of the annoying sound effects and finally death. Its the main source of any BH's damage. I wouldnt mind turning up some of their other abilities for a nerf on Tracer missile. Because then BH's would actually have to try.
Everyone but us has an interrupt ability, interrupt one tracer and they can't cast again for 4 seconds. Then as they are almost done casting their second stun them you just stopped them from casting tracer for 4 seconds then having them waste a full second or more stunning them at the end of their cast. Stun is 4 seconds so if they don't break cc they are useless for 9 seconds.
The people i have the most trouble with are the ones that know how to time cc and interrupt properly.
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The ability needs to be tuned down, if not for being overpowered, then for the simple fact that it removes the need to actually play/explore the class you choose, any build that ends up spamming the same single ability more or less 24/7 is flawed.
encourage people to actually play the game, it will keep them intrested longer.
This PROVES my original point. We DONT spam only this ability, its the only ability you see being used because everything else is instant except for unload. We use about 15 or so other abilities that you don't see/pay attention to.
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So, essentially, you're not overpowered because fully PvP geared 50s of other overpowered classes do a bit better than you?
So your logic is that everyone is overpowered, if that is so then everyone is equal so you cant complain. Operatives and sorcs > BH currently. The only one that can really complain are the tank versions of Sith Warrior/Jedi Knight.
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Pheelin long time, a whole game release? ;p
Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't the majority of your damage still come from tracer missile? I know most of your class all I do is interrupt that and your damage just kinda becomes a joke. Perhaps it is the only thing people complain about because it's the only cast we see, however, if it IS the majority of your damage, then the complaint is kind of justified considering it's your main spam ability.
Whats up!
Yes it is the main damage source, everyone has a main damage source. If you made something else spammable and tracer missile on a 20 second cooldown people would complain about that new ability.
It takes me 3 casts of tracer missle 4.5 seconds to do the damage an operative can do to me in 1 hit. Both vs geared opponents. I get hit for 6k from geared operatives and only hit geared people for 2k, squishies sometimes 3 max. non crits 1500.
The damage I do vs lowbies is absurd but that will be fixed soon because I wont be able to fight them anymore.
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If you don't think that ability is a bit on the strong side, you have not played any other classes.
Have you played a lvl 50 BH? Against other geared players. I'm in almost full champ gear I've seen operatives kill me before I can get up from the knockdown. Sorcs that do 550k dmg and 150k healing in one match. My top dmg is 440k in a single warzone and I haven't seen any other bounty hunter go over 360k, I average 300-350k when I have a healer with around 40-50k healing because of medpac. I am no where near nor have I seen anyone else besides sorc at 550k dmg + 150k healing in a match.
Yes BH are strong and Yes I do crush lowbies with tracer missiles but I am a geared 50. I don't hit geared 50s as hard so in patch 1.1 the dmg will change a bit.
If you just stand there and let me dps you down and you just take it you deserve to die. You shouldn't be able to live through a T1 dps class if you just sit there and take it.
Line of sight them, the smallest objects LoS me, poles, huttball pad almost everything just move. Get in their face and interrupt them stun them etc. Don't be bad and you won't get killed as much.
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First people have to have something to complain about whenever they are killed by anyone.
The reason people complain about the BH tracer missile spam is because that is the only thing they see them cast when in fact there are several other abilities they use, or at least I do. They just don't see them cast them because they are instant and are normally following at tracer missile.
Yes tracer missile is most used but its not the only thing I use 15 other abilities in pvp most of them used in a single fight. 13 if you don't count cc break and medpac.
I use heatseeker missiles (31 point arsenal ability) and rail shot to follow up tracer missiles for added burst. Explosive dart, Heatseeker and tracer missile for a big burst. Other abilities i use include my level 50 merc ability that makes my next cast instant, vent heat to manage my heat resource. My damage shield to reduce damage, 3 AoE abilities during aoe fights. A couple heal abilities, my stun and knockback.
In fight I use tracer missiles followed by my instant damage abilities for extra burst. I make my next heal instant cast for a quick 3k heal, medpac for 4-5k heal, kolto overload for a small HoT, shield to reduce damage, stun and knockback, and vent heat. I also use unload when it is off cooldown and has its damage boost procced (from talents).
I don't always have to use all abilities, sometimes people just fall over from 3 tracer missiles and a heatseeker missile.
TLDR: People only see tracer missile being cast so thats what they pick to complain about.
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I'm a lvl 50 BH with nearly full champion pvp gear. And I get nearly insta-killed by geared operatives. I have 15.5k hp and wear heavy armor. It is very sad when an operative crits you for over 6k every time with my heavy armor and the gear I have. This same operative is critting other people that aren't as geared as me for nearly 8k and that is just 1 hit.
If I can break cc, medpac, and knockback before I die and start to fight they just stealth up and come back and do it again 20 seconds later when my break cc is down.
After the 6k dmg in one attack its normally followed up by a 4k hit and a 3k hit and some more smaller hits, but that is in about 3 seconds and all of my nearly 16k hps are gone.
There aren't many operatives that can do this because they don't have the gear but when they do it will only get worse.
Also, I wouldn't say they are crazy OP just need a bit of balancing. I understand that without the big burst they don't have a whole lot but right now the big burst is a little too big. Even with the best gear you are instakilled by an equally geared operative.
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not sure if these moves are intended to be as powerful as they are but it honestly seems to hit too hard for what it is.
Its spec'ed for in the 3rd tier of the commando/bh trees, it has a 1.5 second cast with no cool down, a 30m range, as well as reduces a players armor. Problem is that it hits harder than the move that you have to spec for in the 7th tier which has a 15 second cooldown on it.
In PvP Grav Round and Tracer Missile can hit reliably on crits for 2500-3000 and can be spammed to hit every 1.5 seconds.
It hits harder than a Jedi Knights Master Strike which has a 4m range, applies damage over 3 seconds, and has a 30 second cool down.
It wouldnt be so bad if so many BH's and troopers didnt just spam the move but it is the most effective way for them to kill stuff. No other class I'm aware of can use just one move and be as effective.
Personally I feel it needs to have a cooldown added, have its damage decreased, move it higher up in the tree, have the ammo/heat cost increased, or something else to bring it in line with other moves in both the BH/Trooper trees and other classes that have cooldowns and dont do as much damage.
the purpose of this thread is simply to give the devs a heads up so they can review the moves and see if they were meant to be this powerful and spamable.
As a merc BH dps I don't enjoy spamming tracer missile over and over but it is one of the most effective ways to dps. However it does NOT hit harder than Heatseeker which is the 31 point ability. With almost full champ pvp gear at 50 my tracer missiles crit for around 3-3.2k each on a squishy. My heatseeker crits on the same target for around 4.2k.
Btw if you wanna complain about the BH/Trooper skill go find a geared Operative/Smuggler and get crit for nearly 8k with 1 attack then get back to me.
Out of all my warzones I am almost first in damage by quite a margin. I've hit 440k dmg in huttball before and im above 350k pretty often. That still doesn't even compare to what I've seen sorcs do. Ive seen sorc pull 550k dmg with 150k healing. I have never seen any BH on my server out damage me so I figure I'm nearing the top considering I'm more geared than probably 99% of the population.
Also think about the utility sorcs get. They can get the tank protection medals, the healing medals and all the damage medals in a warzone. They have a friendly pull spell.
I'm not saying BHs aren't strong damage but that is all they have as Merc dps but I can find several other classes that you might want to look at before you complain about BH/trooper.
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The blues are actually more effective, just not re-usable. So make lots of the blues and sell or give those to other people.
The blues implants are not better than the purple. It doesn't make sense that a gear slot item I can make from a purple recipe off a boss is only for myself. Im fine with everything else being BoP but that is the only gear I make. Im just /sadface irl
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Its not that I make "some" special things for myself. its EVERYTHING. I can't make ANY purples for anyone else. I can make green implants for people but who wants them?
Purple Medpac - BoP
Purple Stims - BoP
Purple Adrenal - BoP
Purple Implant - BoP
Cybertech can make purple gear and purpe ship mods for other people
Armortech can make purple gear for other people
I can't make purple anything for anyone. It doesn't make sense.
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Ok so it seems that everything I can make from Biochem at 400 and purple is Bind on Pickup. All of the items on the trainer are BoP, so I don't even have to buy the ones I wont use.
I did Black Talon Hard Mode and the last boss dropped a 400 Biochem Implant schematic. The item was an Implant that looked to be for a sorc. Cool right? No because its BoP and I'm a Merc BH its completely useless to me and I can't make it for my guild.
Am I only Biochem for the 3 or 4 items I can use for myself? I'm fine with only making reusable medpacs and even stims for myself but a Boss dropped purple schematic is only for myself? That's dumb.
sorry if there was a thread about this already, I didn't see it.
The reason people complain about Tracer missle spam.
in PvP
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I wish they would change the tracer missile because we do rely on it a lot and it is boring and we have to sit in one spot to do it. Pyro tree is more mobile but the overall damage for warzones is a little bit lower the single target damage is nice.
TBH i would rather get some more mobility. Or make some other ablities viable.