Would you expect to tank a raid boss as soon as you hit 50 in quests greens? Same idea here. The full geared player put in the time to get his/her items. They should absolutely 100% have a slight advantage over you because of this. If a player took the time to max a prof, and has an amazing item to aid them, they have earned it. WoW gave so many players a feeling of gear entitlement, that players flip out when gear needs to be farmed. I for one love the grind, and every piece of gear has a story. (insert random quote about the good ole days)

Im sorry, but reading your posts all I can see is "I want gear, but i don't want to put in the time" If im in full battle master, and your in T1 I would hope you get blown up every time we meet, and I would expect you to out dps me in an OP. Taking the gear out of PvP is a terrible idea. What would be the point of even having PvP in the game? That is akin to saying "well OPS gear should only give cosmetic upgrades, that way the content is balanced for people who are just starting out"

So you want to have the same advantage as someone who grinded their way to max valor and put in the TIME to get the gear they have, while you herp derp for an hour a day????? I remember when getting gear in MMOs was hard, and when you got it you felt like you earned it. Not all the loot pinatas and welfare epics that WoW passed out. I would hope that someone who puts in the time has better gear.

ROFL!!!! +1 for truth

Lol if a dps is out healing 4 peoples damage, you should delete your toons, because you obvioulsey dont know what your doing. I have a 50 IA OP, and I have never been able to out heal 4 dps on me. Stop lying and L2P.

You report people for grouping and doing PvP? Stop being bad and win. If a team is winning in "2 mins" maybe you could learn something from them. Im gonna go out on a limb and say you are a the guys who dies 20 times in a match, and has almost the lowest damage, and also calls for nerfs on every class and spec that beat you once upon a time. Don't fear, BW has said they are looking into a ranked system to keep these "jerk premades" away from your derp fest.

I saw about 4 mins of him wrecking lvl 12's a fight where he got the open on a 50, fought him for about 20 secs and won, and another 50 (that someone else opened on and he finished) and you are crying OP? I did not see one 50, that 1 on 1 he killed in 3 hits. OPs do need to be tuned back a bit, that much I will admit, but most of this QQ is people that don't use CC, can't figure out how to use a dam health pot, and keep turning their backs to the op. L2P then you can start claiming what is OP.

untill BW getsoff thier *** and puts a combat log in this game they wont be able to balance it. so please for the love of all things sacred stop the QQ and trinket the opener. After we come out of stealth we are useless.

Update your drivers. I have never dipped below 30 fps in this game on one card. (HD6870) Try that before making pointless posts about bad fps.

So let me sum up this thread. PvP happened on a PvP server...... /thread

Lol, I have never once witnessed a match of nothing but Ops. I can't take anything on these forums seriously anymore. "I got hit by a lvl 15 with no gear on for 9K, that Sorc healed himself to full with one cast ect" Does the game need to be balanced a bit, yes, its a MMO at LAUNCH!!! Anyone thinking otherwise has built up false expectations. All MMOs have balance issues at launch, and for most of the games life (2 min mages anyone??) All I can say, at the risk of sounding rude, is if people are going to make absurd claims, post a screen shot Screens or it never happened man.

Do you have any screens from a match? Cuz not to sound rude, but it just sounds like your getting outplayed. I see marauders do just fine in the matches im in. Edit: also I can't even think of a time when a lvl 15 hit me for that much damage, they normally just sit there and take the beating im offering.

Wait a min OP... Let me get this right....... Rock beat Scissors and your upset about that......... /facepalm

LOL, best thing ive read tonight : )

Its worth it for the 3 secs that we get to have our way with you, and watch you run away praying a teammate will save you : P

Bam! well played. I rip people apart when i Pvp. If there is no skill involved in this game, as the OP has stated. All players should finish WZ's with an equal number of kills and deaths, roughly the same damage, and the same amount of medals. But for some odd reason (which can't be skill or reaction time or anything of that nature according to the OP) I seem to have top damage almost every match, go 40-0 regularly and always seem to get a few more medals than most. Im just lucky i Guess.......

I have witnessed many people getting up from my open right away. Use your CC break and you are off to the races. Also. when fighting an OP, don't show me your back......it ends badly for you : )

Lawls. +1 for truth. Ops are squishy, and it sounds like the OP just got beat by a good player and now wants to use the "Nerf" word.

Im sorry but im calling BS on your statement. I play an IA op, and I have never killed an at level player in "2 shots" I have full opened on a 50 SW Jug in a WZ (acid blade, relic popped, adrenals ect) and have NEVER ill type it again in case you missed it......NEVER killed a player in 2 shots Stop posting if you can't give actually feed back on what needs to be done and telling fishtales...... PS I can see this happening if you a level 20 and the Op is 50.

Don't put yourself in a situation to get knocked into things and its a non issue. Example 1: A SI Assassin is on your right, the acid is on your left. A smart Sin will knock your butt into the acid and stun you. Example 2: Same placement as before, but having seen this trick before, you get to the left side of the Sin and you are harmlessly pushed into the middle of the huttball arena. If you don't know by now to not be between a knock back and a hazard you deserve to burn in it. And as another posted the opening thing in Huttball says "cheating is encouraged". I cant wait to see the QQ that will come from Cybertechs using freeze grenades in PvP.......

First, you may not have PvP gear on, and they could be decked out. (in which case i would expect you to lose to them skill level being equal of course) ill see if i can get some screens up of my IA OP, normally top damage (or 2nd) every match. 3hrs is a really really short time to be able to tell what class needs "nerfing" tbh and I think you are reaching a bit when you make the claims you are making. Are sorcs good...sure. can they put out lots of damage, yup they can (so can every other class if it is played well) Please BW. Don't listen to random QQ when you get ready to balance the game. Put in a combat log, and base the adjustments on data, not opinion.

I play a IA op Concealment spec, and yes if i can open on you good luck getting out if your trink is on CD. Have you tried to play a stealth class in WZ's? The amount of AOE makes it so its a small miracle to get to a target still undetected. We are one of the squishy-ist classes and have one (1) instant move to prevent damage. Melee Ops are a stealth/burst class, tune down our damage and we are ****** Assassins with a few range moves and a flash bang. My knock down opener gives you a full resolve bar..... meaning I cant CC you for a good 20 secs after i open. Belive it or not, we pay a big price for that opener, and if I can't kill you fast, i am f'd.... Hit Centurion at least before you complain about this type of stuff people. No more "nerf "X" cuz im bad at the game" posts (wishful thinking i know). PS, if your getting blown up by an OP in 3 secs you need better gear......

Im sure its been said, but eliminate exhaustion zones so we can attack their cities..... The only time I can find anyone to fight on a PvP server is to go way way out of my area.

So you have stated that they are not mirrors, and then you have pointed out that the smugs ability is on a longer cd......then you go on to say how the diff in CD makes up for the abilities. Are you just looking for stuff to cry about? Most PvPers would take a shorter CD anyday for a move that does a similar effect. True mirrors would homogenize the game. I like the diversity and I hope they keep it. Edit: While true mirrors would make balancing the game far less complicated, I dont want to be a IA/Smuggler...i just want to be an IA.

This. If your having trouble killing 50's, play better. I have little problems killing a 50 as a 41 IA. I get tired of people saying the game is too hard, or this needs to be nerfed.. its just that most players are not as good as they think they are and are missing a very easy solution to the fight. Maybe use more CC, interupt the heal they are trying to get off, stun them ect. Every class has an arsenal of tools to use against other players. Once more people are capped then yes add a 50 only bracket. If you do it now, 50's will be in 20 min queues for a WZ.