The reason the hybrid spec is better is because of how often you unload force scream, free smash, the damage from impale, as well as the dots from impale and force scream. The added dps from dots and the high damage abilities does way more for your threat in the long run than that of back hand and crushing blow. To add to that your rotation then shrinks and the cooldown differences between the opposing abilities makes the damage output you are giving much higher because you are not waiting on such a long CD (60s for backhand) for a high damage ability. (and stacking sunders and keeping them up, pretty much a non issue) Rarely in rotation will you ever use VS, it is literally a dump on rare occasions. So, more dps, tighter rotation, lack of retardedly long cooldowns = greater threat ***edit also unstoppable is great for your healers when you charge into large packs, you literally take like no damage, long enough for healers out of range to get to you before things even get hairy.

Im not complaining, other people complain, I dont mind the challenge. Fact is my single target threat and survivability are a non issue. Though there was a dev statement some while ago, clearly stating that juggs/mara were not quite working as design intended and that there would be an update coming to the class on both sides. All I have seen is op/bh crap and not a single word from a dev in this forum about the warrior class since then. To the naysayers of the hybrid spec, you are just wrong, if you have issues surviving you healers have to suck, cause mine seem to think all around raids have been smoother since I dropped immortal build.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101dMG0uZhGRMRhddM.1 do it

Immortal spec is garbage. Try the hybrid spec. DMG=threat. Ive used it for weeks solo tanking ops and find that it is far far greater. Or be like me and teeter on the verge of quitting because the devs dont give a crap, nor do they ever respond within Jugg threads, its been well over a month since the last post they made stating that its not working quite as intended. But no news on changes, updates, or even a simple post to ease our minds. They have your money, then won. The ship is sinking, drown or jump, we are all probably going to meet the same end.

Long ago there was a post made about possible updates to the warrior/knight classes....since then absolutely nothing. Your silence in all threads is very disheartening and I miss when MMOs had class community reps...hell even community reps at all. Someone that was actually involved, gave a voice to the community by simply replying without some generic Ctrl+V, "thank you for submitting your feedback, this is a reminder that player feedback is important to us." A monkey can punch downtime's and patch notes, give me someone with some personality and the feeling of actual interest. That aside. Are we aware of issues. Do we feel maybe the issues no longer exist, is the class working and performing as you intended. If there is a class update is it coming, if not cool, but give us some info so that those who really hate it class currently should reroll because its as intended and maybe just not their "playstyle". Me personally, not going anywhere, 9/10 HM solo tanking it all but I am playing a hybrid DPS spec, cause the threat in full immortal is just garbage versus the increased damage/threat and a tighter rotation of abilities. That being said, I would still like to hear something from time to time, regarding the classes. rather than being able to find nothing written in what seems like forever (a month). Bone please. Thanks, Kemo PS: love your work

I rebound F to target Next Friendly target, we dont use cover, so its needless.

What, were you running BT? If you use this spec in EV and see no difference...then youre doing it wrong!

I dont intercede>force charge but rarely and only when I have the time to do it. Initially reading about this spec, that was something that concerned me. However I dont have to do it, with trickets and the three cooldowns we have, you shouldnt need to either. As far as your rage consumption, your goal is to survive and maintain threat, doing that, using my force choke and enrage accordingly, rage is a non issue. The way the boss fights work in EV, there is more than enough opportunity to force throw>Force charge, to build rage throughout the fights. Im not going to get into a pissing contest, but if you really have a problem with this spec and your inability to use it, the problem is with the user.

When your in full rotation rage is never an issue in this spec.

14/27 hands down best threat, healers wont notice a difference, and unstoppable they will love when you force charge into large packs http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101dMG0uZhGRMRhddM.1

Find the pillar, taunt and run straight to it. Look up, not down, and position the pillar in the top center of your screen and back peddle him into position. Really I dont understand how its an issue, Ive never missed a pillar dropping. Hope this helps you.

So first of all Ill just state the facts. Im a jugg tank, been solo tanking EV for several weeks, constantly being ridiculed by my guild mates because of the lack of threat we possess. Sound familiar? So Ive read every guide, all the math, and all the complaints surrounding our threat without ever seeing a clear response from bioware, but hopefully this will help you out. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101dMG0uZhGRMRhddM.1 14/27 Hybrid Spec My damage is greatly increased. My threat greatly increased. My health increased and is now 21k unbuffed. On top of that you lose backhand and crushing blow...which both dont hold a candle to the bleed ticks that are now on Force Scream and Impale, and it shrinks the rotation of abilities which I feel gives my a tighter rotation. After normal and hardmode EV being solo tanked. The only difference my healers see is when I Force Charge into large packs and they dont see my health drop because of the awesome gift of Unstoppable. All around my DPS stated that the upgrade in threat was obvious, noticeable, and that they didn't have to hold back. Quit killing yourself, try the spec out for yourself before you hear someone else say any differently. While obviously we need a fix, this is the best alternative until then, and tbh if a fix comes I will miss this spec. GL all.